CASH GIFTING IS ILLEGAL
However, many people are ignoring that fact in hopes of making it rich by passing money around…. Can you spell PONZI scheme aka SCAM? What’s worse is there are literally thousands of people putting themselves in front of cameras and then posting those videos all over the Internet.
I was watching a video Sunday on cash gifting. The video was about “TWO HUGE Cash Gifting Mistakes caught on Video.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxKsLRA3TwQ [March 2009-video has since been removed] I counted more than two, but they weren’t all Charlie’s.
The gentleman, Bob S……, says he is totally against opening packages on camera. Later on in the video he states that though he ‘promised’ he wouldn’t in an earlier video. Now he is breaking his promise. 4:42 into the video Bob explains again how much he hates doing this on video and is only doing it because unbelievers are calling his bluff.
Question to you: Do you want to work with someone who easily makes promises and then breaks them just as easily?
Question: Unbelievers calling his bluff? If you’ve already said how honest you are and people believe you, why would someone worry about the ‘unbelievers’ ????
People either believe or they don’t. Why should we have to ‘convince’ someone that we are honest or are in an honest opportunity?
Bob talks about how he and Charles talked about the different packages, etc. Charlie didn’t send him a tracking confirmation, so he doesn’t know ‘how much’ is in the envelope, but it feels pretty thick.
He also explains he’s a very honest guy and is in his underwear so he can’t ‘zoom in on the money”; he’ll just “bring it to the camera”.
Question: Why does he have to tell us he is a very honest guy? Did we need to know he was in his underwear or was he making an excuse he didn’t need to make? What’s the difference between ‘zooming’ in and ‘bringing’ it to the camera?
Question: After receiving so many UPS and FEDEX packages with varying degrees of cash, do you just get a ‘feel’ for there being a LOT or LITTLE in the envelope? Evidently Mr. Bob doesn’t have a good ‘feel’ yet because when he fans the cash out, he is excited that it is $5000. He says “All right, Charlie, you went for the 5″. To Mr. Bob’s dismay, it is only $3200. Oops no package available at $3200, so Bob is going to have to contact Charlie to make up the difference.
Question: Why not offer Charlie a refund and bring him in at the $2500 level? OR is it that an example of ‘worship’ of money’ that he hates so much?
While Bob fans out the $3200 Cash he explains that ‘this’ (being the cash in hand) represents MORE than what he made in an entire month when he worked in the real world. He goes on to explain ‘years ago’……
Question: What do we really know about Bob S……? AND how long has he actually been in cash gifting? In doing a bit of research about all I can find is that he just started promoting cash gifting within the last month. Before that, it looks like he was a DJ. His MBA possibly came from University of Phoenix 2001-2003.
Mr. Bob says he doesn’t ‘worship money’ but I have my doubts. Unfortunately Cash Gifting creates more GREED and EGO than any other thing I have seen out there on the Internet.
I have one more question here- does the “BUCK” stop with Bob? Is everyone just ‘gifting’ to Bob or is he turning around and gifting to someone else?
CASH GIFTING IS ILLEGAL
PS: If you don’t actually watch the video and only listen like I did the first time, you’ll miss the blooper about 4-5 minutes into it.
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July 23rd, 2008 at 9:35 am
Gifting is illegal not only in the USA but in Canada. So what? I go to the bank. Withdraw a bunch of money ( we can all do that on payday) Stuff it in a Fedex envelope address it to myself. Pay Fedex $5:00. Video tape the delivery truck coming to my door delivering the envelope. Video tape myself opening the envelope and taataa. I am rich now. Duuuhh!!! Gifting is make believe. It doesn’t work. It’s scam.
Great info Jennifer thank you for posting people need to know this. Great job.
Take care
Bernard Tritz
July 26th, 2008 at 3:24 am
That’s great getting this issue out in the open. When I first came upon this scheme the whole thing didn’t set right with me. And after a little research it was a set up were some one was going to get hurt and any one decent won’t do that to a fellow being. With out a long term benifit where is it all going. And being ilegal to flash money or any inticement well any one should know that if you have to show the shine you got a sham.
Great to see this out in the open Jennifer.
Ronald M McCall
August 9th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Someone left this comment about cash gifting, but not on this page –
Hello Jennifer
I just have to add something about the CASH gifting CON Game
I belong to you tube and every post i pput up about
Prohbited Items to be shipped was Nevver approved!
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FEDEX
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Prohibited Items
You are prohibited from tendering the following items for shipment, and they will not be accepted:
Cash, currency, collectible stamps and coins.
Shipments or commodities that are prohibited by applicable local, state or federal law.
Notwithstanding any other provision of the FedEx Service Guide, we are not liable for delay of, loss of or damage to a shipment of any prohibited item. The shipper agrees to indemnify FedEx for any and all costs, fees and expenses FedEx incurs as a result of the shipper’s violation of any local, state or federal laws or regulations or from tendering any prohibited item for shipment.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Hi Jennifer,
I had a few questions from this post. I have made some money from cash gifting programs in the past, so I was wondering where the information is located that it is illegal in US and Canada? Also most cash gifting programs put little things that they say “make” them legal. Is that not true then? What about the programs that give you products for your “gift” are those ones legal? The one that I am most recently a part of has five people which give: #1 – Bulk Mailing System #2 – List of 893 online classifed websites #3 – List of Free Marketing Programs #4 – List of Traffic Programs and #5 – Lists of Safelists. I know that most of those things if you took the time and did some searching you could probably compose 2, 3, 4, and 5 on your own, but the Bulk Mailing System looks to me like it would cost a whole lot more than $5 if I were to find it for sale somewhere else. So I guess my question is, even though the person is receiving a “product” for the $5 they are sending to the other people, is it still illegal?
March 9th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Hi Sarah,
Your comment “most cash gifting programs put little things that they say “make” them legal” pretty much says it right there… A legal program will not have disclaimers stating “this is legal”. I see a lot of cash gifting programs that make that statement. I even saw a guy state that he was certified as a not for profit organization in Texas, which made his program legal. One does not have anything to do with the other, but it sounds good and most people will not take the time to read the 501C rulings for having Not-For-Profit status.
Here are some documents from various agencies.
The Gifting Club “Gotcha” – from the FTC site
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pub.....lt056.shtm
One of my favorite sites is MLMWatchdog, run by well known Rod Cook.
http://www.mlmwatchdog.com/hom.....scams.html
As far as the IRS goes, all gifters quote the rule that you can give up to $12,000 in gifts to an individual per year. Being on youtube, one day I received an email from a gentleman who wanted to share his latest video with me…
The content of the video was his having a conference call with his ‘group’ and a representative of the IRS. He wanted to prove that gifting was legal.
The IRS agent assured him, ‘yes’, giving a gift of money is legal, UNLESS it is a business or form of creating income. She went on to ask him “is this a business?” His reply was ‘no, we’re just a group of friends’. She asked, ‘are you using this as a way to create income?”. He said “no, we’re just a group of friends who give money to each other”.
The point is he side-stepped every legal issue. Gifting for the purpose of creating an income IS ILLEGAL. People get into ‘gifting’ programs to earn an income…. why else would we send money to perfect strangers (not just friends).
Here is a good article that might help clarify the mystery.
http://www.cashgiftingwatchdog.....fting-irs/
Is the program you’ve described legal? Can one make some money SINGLE-LEVEL, that is, without sponsoring another business opportunity seeker? Can you sell the tools by themselves or does it require bringing more people in to create that income?
Here is a good article that might help:
http://gotojenniferfisher.com/.....lity-test/
It sounds like a program I did a review on recently called “All Ages Earn”, but there are so many similar to this one, it’s difficult to keep up with them all.
Is someone going to come knocking on your door and arrest you? Unless you are making really BIG BUCKS on this, I doubt it. The FTC and Attorney Generals usually only go after the ones that get the most complaints and then go after the TOP DOGS.
Hope this helps, if not, let me know…
Oh the Canadian Ruling?
http://www.competitionbureau.g.....02637.html
~To YOUR Success
~Jennifer
March 31st, 2009 at 4:58 pm
WOW!!!! I don’t know whether to be flattered, or offended. I know you will probably not post this response, but it’s o.k. the response is for you.
My name is Bob Solis, the guy you posted about. I was googling my name as all good marketers should, and I came across your critical observations. I respect you for having the critical skills, but I must say that you spent way too much time over-analyzing incorrectly, I might add, my video.
First of all, the video was impromptu and 100% real. I WAS in my underwear after just getting out of the shower that day and wanted to make a video to express my thoughts, secondly the mistake on Charles’s part was he was trying to send me 3500, not 5000 as you stated, and ultimately he did wind up coming in at $2500 when I discovered he was really struggling to come in at $3500, (I don’t let anyone come in with rent money etc.) (FYI- Charlie has gone on to build an organization of his own and is still Cash Gifting)
Your comment about the buck stopping with Bob or not, reflects that you do not have an understanding of Cash Gifting or Multi-Level Marketing flow-charts. I normally ignore criticisms on the internet, because as a marketer, it is to be expected. Check out Rip-Off Report and you will see every company from Walmart to McDonalds being critiqued.
I just had to tell you how off you are in your perception, because everything in that video is the as it was, and again your post is just a reminder on how when dealing with the public, you cannot do anything about people coming to their own, albeit twisted and mis-informed conclusions. Which by the way, can only hold you back from thinking outside the box and creating new realities for yourself.
P.S. When I was unemployed, with an MBA and about to lose my house and my cars, and almost had my family on the streets because I could not find a job, where were the critics lending a helping hand or offering a solution then? Critics only criticize, but never add value.
Now that I am relatively financially secure, the critics expect to shame me into submission of some kind or another???? At your age, with this economy, Lady, you wish you were cash gifting and changing lives the way we do every day.
March 31st, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Hi Bob,
Thanks for dropping by. I am not sure whether you will be flattered or offended, but if someone takes the time to stop and make a comment, I post it. You have as much right to your opinion as I do.
By the way, what happened to your video? Why did you take it down?
I do fully understand the Multi-Level Marketing flow-charts.
Multi-level marketing – something goes up and in a legit opportunity, something of intrinsic value SHOULD come back down.
With cash gifting presentations, all I have seen is cash going up the chain in an envelope along with a contract that says “I’m gifting you this money with no expectations of anything in return”, stuffed inside a magazine to thicken up the Fedex package.
Maybe you can tell me – what comes back down according to the Multi-Level Marketing flow-charts besides a big thank you for your cash donation?
And Bob, I have to ask – WHY CASH ONLY? Why not cashier’s checks or money orders which are Legal to mail via NORMAL USPS? The only reason I can think of is that you’d have to start taking those checks to the bank and when you put enough money in the Bank, someone’s going to start asking questions. You’re going to have to report that INCOME to the IRS, pay taxes on it just like everyone else who earns an income.
Not really any sense in bantering back and forth about this issue. You believe it’s legal. I know for fact that gifting is legal up to a certain amount, but when you are doing it as a ‘business’ – it’s not.
So most gifters say one thing to the IRS and promote it to the unknowing as a legal form of creating income (a business) and then some even compare it to Multi-level Marketing. Until there is something of intrinsic value coming back down for my $$$$, it’s nothing but a one way pyramid… going up.
I’d love to explore this a bit more with you some day. I’m sure you have the best intentions, but I see many, many people getting hurt by cash gifting programs.
~Jennifer
April 1st, 2009 at 3:50 pm
My Dear Jennifer,
Thanks for stopping by my video response of this post. I am by no means the Cash Gifting attorney. I am just an average person that has been able to find in cash gifting a solution that works.
All I know is that the IRS has a provision for Giting and it just increased the allowed gifting amount to $13,000 per person , per year without having to Report it, or claim it as income. We all get cash gifts, Birthday Cards, Assistance with buying a business or house from relatives and money from Lovers and Friends throughout our lives. Do you see people running to report this money to the IRS?
Secondly, I agree with you about the business structures that cash gifting clubs have created, and I don’t approve of them. But not for the reason you think. I just see that if everyone looks the same, how can you stand out and excel? Also, those companies just want you to brand them, not yourself.
My cash gifting is done on a one on one basis and is not organized in any way other than me taking people under my wing to teach them the advantages of Online Marketing and Sales…and yes Cash Gifting is an opportunity for increasing cash flow as is any other sales endeavor.
Tell me about the 95% of people in mlm that waste years and money and don’t ever make any real money back. Also, the 90% of small business owners that go out of business within the first 5 years. The millions of people that have tried to sell something in their jobs and careers and never made a success of it. The people who legally go around selling air conditioners, vacations, water softeners, water and air filtration systems door to door at a ridiculously inflated price…they are technically ripping people off, but legally have the right to do so. This world has no guarantees. You cannot gurantee someone success in anything that they do, all I can do is choose to work with people that are sincere and are willing to learn and do the hard work to get results. Cash Gifting is a product. The product is cash flow, an excuse to have an “opportunity” to peddle like any other and the end result is “sales” where you make money.
If I bring you into a program, I teach you all I know that works for me, give you all the tools I have which work for me, give you the same access to the marketplace that I have that works for me…and then you go out there and fail…How is that my fault?
Your belief that everyone should be guaranteed equal success regardless of talent, effort and dedication is what is wrong with this country and why we are headed for a Communist Imprisonment where none of us will have the chance to spread our wings.
April 2nd, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Great article, Jennifer!
And special congrats to the gifter in question, Gifter Bob. He had the courage not only to appear on You Tube opening Fedex envelopes in his underwear (video since removed by the owner), but to visit your blog and defend his position.
You and Gifter Bob have inspired us to write a full length article on our blog at http://www.togethertothetop.com
Gifter Bob provides excellent examples of the amazing lengths to which a scammer will go to avoid the real question about gifting, which is “Are People Being Hurt By This?”
Our answer, of course, is a resounding YES, but gifters will wriggle away in all directions, loudly avoiding the question.
Our challenge to gifters has always been to take their entire ‘business plan’, all monies received, records of all monies sent, all Fedex envelopes, all statements of non-expectation, and all videos to their local Office of the Attorney General or RCMP and ask for a ruling on legality.
We have also suggested they go by bus and not bother buying a return ticket. It’s embarrassing to have to call a friend or relative to come pick up your vehicle from the parking lot because the authorities have asked you to stay overnight.
But back to the tactics of avoidance …
Instead of addressing the question or accepting the challenge, Gifter Bob has become indignant with four exclamation marks, killed the messenger several times, rationalized his lack of pants, attempted some misdirection several times, claimed that gifting involves advanced higher thinking in a parallel universe, stomped his foot, blamed his critics for not bailing him out of his previous mess, finished his rhetorical question with four question marks, became indignant again, this time rudely, and mistook Jennifer’s criticism for a secret desire to join him, became sarcastic, attempted to confuse us and himself by making no distinction between gifting to family and gifting as a money maker, painted himself as a guardian angel, rationalized his scam by pointing out failures in other areas, called gifting ’sincere hard work’ and cash in a Fedex envelope ‘results’, confused transfer of funds with receiving something of value in a bag, bottle, or box, inadvertently (we love this one) admitted to his own scam, jumped the track completely by answering questions that have never been asked, mystified all of us and made us wonder, and finally (our favorite), he has portrayed gifting as the way to combat the ever present Communist threat, still with us since the 50’s. Are you tired of this yet?
Our advice to Gifter Bob is to stop trying to convince us that what he is doing is right. We are not the ones who own the handcuffs.
Put your pants on, Gifter Bob, and take the whole mess to the Attorney General for a ruling or shut up. And take your pyjamas with you. You may not have much room, but you’ll have plenty of time to spread your wings in that cell.
Wait a minute, we’ve got a better idea! Just send us a bunch of money out of the goodness of your heart, and WE will shut up!
For the full article, go to http://togethertothetop.com/?p=1729 and please leave a comment.
This ripoff must be stopped. Too many trusting, innocent people are losing bigtime here.
Thanks again to Jennifer for speaking out against the scamweasels in any form!
Bob and Anna Bassett
http://www.togethertothetop.com
April 2nd, 2009 at 7:37 pm
I don’t normally edit a post I have already made, but have done so in this case to remove the last name of the creator of the video for his benefit.
~Jennifer
April 12th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Jennifer,
An exquisite job of ferreting out a scam-weasel!
What Gifter Bob probably doesn’t realize is how deeply he has incriminated himself, namely by declaring that, quote: “Cash Gifting is a product. The product is cash flow, an excuse to have an “opportunity” to peddle like any other and the end result is “sales” where you make money”.
According to the IRS cash CAN NEVER BE A PRODUCT. Unless you are a bank and of course they are in a whole other regulated and watched arena.
Furthermore, notice that Gifter Bob calls this “product” an EXCUSE to PEDDLE where the end result is SALES for the purpose of making money.
However, there is nothing for sale but the cash itself, the cash he is endeavoring to get back. By any commonsense – not even a legal – look at this, a would be gifter is motivated only to receive money back: THAT IS NOT A GIFT.
Finally what struck me as almost comical is Gifter Bob bragging that he is TEACHING others his marketing skills. The image that came to mind was the London of Dickens’ time where orphans were taught to pick pockets. Teaching IS a noble profession, no doubt, but one must consider the curriculum, no?
Tony Lauria
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:54 am
WELL to the above thief liar con artist ! Cash gifter !
I have thre websites up about this Cash gifting con game and guess what all the videos that were on YOU TUBE have been removed for voiolation of terms !
NONE work any more all 3 videos are gone so are those cash gifters !
NOW to prove to YOU cash gufters why it is Illeagl TO send cash through any courier. O yeah plaese DO NOT hit us with that IRS Bull crap that it’s legal to send a cash gift to anyone up to $12,000 a year Either because YES i can send gifts to relatives or friends without no recouse and do it with a 0.45 cent Stamp more secure than FED EX UPS or DHL !
Read this CON man and Con women !
And stop robbing innocent people of thier money !
FEDEX
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You are prohibited from tendering the following items for shipment, and they will not be accepted:
Cash, currency, collectible stamps and coins.
Shipments or commodities that are prohibited by applicable local, state or federal law.
Notwithstanding any other provision of the FedEx Service Guide, we are not liable for delay of, loss of or damage to a shipment of any prohibited item. The shipper agrees to indemnify FedEx for any and all costs, fees and expenses FedEx incurs as a result of the shipper’s violation of any local, state or federal laws or regulations or from tendering any prohibited item for shipment.
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END of The Game gifters !
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:19 am
What I find the most intriguing but sad thing about Gifters is that they NEVER address the issues … they side step instead.
reminds me of this – “There are none so blind as he who will not see”.
Thanks for stopping by and sharing your thoughts, both Tony and Bill.
~Jennifer